Posts by bats in the belfry

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As far as the Watchtower goes, how should an adulteress be punished?

by I_love_Jeff in

should we use jesus' advice john 8:7 or god's advice .

leviticus 20:10?

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In 1943 the Watch Tower Society’s book “The Truth Shall Make You Free” did away with the nonexistent extra 100 years in the period of the Judges and placed the end of 6,000 years of man’s existence in the 1970’s.

1974 The Watchtower, August 15, page 507

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Perhaps it was an precocious act after all.

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JW's Unanswerable Question & Why Doesn't Everyone Take Them to Task For This?

by Perry in

the one question that is absolutely unanswerable by jehovah's witnesses that actually understand their own doctrines is this:.

can you show me even one new testament scripture that shows how a person can get their sins forgiven while outside of the new covenant?.

most of us are familiar with the one proof scripture that has all the necessary elements tied together into one neat doctrine - matther 26: 27,28:.

bats in the belfry

Can you show me even ONE New Testament scripture that shows how a person can get their sins forgiven while outside of the New Covenant? No, I can't.

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But the 'holy spirit directed GB' is doing snake oil galore on that subject:

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BENEFICIARIES OF THE NEW COVENANT
Upon learning that the 144,000 are in the new covenant, some may have thought that only these benefit from it. Perhaps they thought so because only anointed ones are to partake of the emblems at the annual Memorial of Christ’s death, where the wine represents the “blood of the covenant.” (Mark 14:24) Recall, though, that those in the new covenant are to be associates with Jesus as the “seed” of Abraham, by means of which all nations will be blessed. (Gal. 3:8, 9, 29; Gen. 12:3) Somehow, through the new covenant, Jehovah will fulfill his promise to bless all mankind through Abraham’s “seed.” (...) What happens to the sins of those whom God favors? As noted earlier, Jehovah said through Jeremiah: “I shall forgive their error, and their sin I shall remember no more.” (Jer. 31:34) God does this for the anointed on the basis of Jesus’ sacrifice. In a similar way, God can forgive the sins of the great crowd on the basis of the same “blood of the covenant.” Jeremiah’s saying that God would “remember” sins no more does not imply that He would have a memory lapse and simply not be able to recall the sins. Rather, it indicates that once Jehovah has administered any needed discipline and forgiven a repentant sinner, God throws that past sin behind Him. Think of the sins King David committed involving Bath-sheba and Uriah. David received discipline and felt the consequences of his sins. (2 Sam. 11:4, 15, 27; 12:9-14; Isa. 38:17) Yet, God did not keep holding David accountable for those sins. (Read 2 Chronicles 7:17, 18.) As indicated in the new covenant, once Jehovah has forgiven sins, based on Jesus’ sacrifice, He remembers them no more.—Ezek. 18:21, 22. (...) Accordingly, the new covenant highlights a wonderful aspect of Jehovah’s dealings with sinful humans, both the anointed, who are in the covenant, and those with an earthly hope. You can trust that once Jehovah has dealt with your sins, he will not bring them up again.

Jeremiah-Book, chap. 14 pp. 175-177

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102010153?q=%22BENEFICIARIES+OF+THE+NEW+COVENANT%22&p=par

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February 2014- Watchtower Public edition now available!

by A.proclaimer in

the new watchtower public edition titled "the war that chnaged the world" and the awake titled "how to invest your time wisely" for february are up.

looks like they are still sticking to 1914. they do talk about the war and tie it in with the 1914 interpretation.. watchtower public:.

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20140201/.

bats in the belfry

From the February 2014 Awake, page 13:

However, one thing is certain: The church Constantine legitimized (...) However, one thing is certain: The church Constantine legitimized: (...) From this church — that was now worldly — sprang countless denominations.

What does all of this mean for us? It means that we should not take the teachings of any church for granted but that we should examine them in the light of the Bible. — 1 John 4:1.
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Everyone's church but the JWs, of course !

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Who kills more trees? Wt vs. power company?

by DS211 in

i have to share an interesting experience with my wife this morning (not a bedroom story...sinners ;-)).. we were driving to work and my wife asked why they havent changed the wooden power poles to concrete.. me: well i think they change them as they start to give out.. wife: but they kill so many trees doing this!!!!

why wouldnt they figure that out?.

(what i wanted to say)me: how many trees do the watchtower kill printing magazines and bibles????.

bats in the belfry

DS211 >>> how many trees do the Watchtower kill printing magazines and bibles?

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Cross-referencing: WTBTS environmental impact: Printing Production - Worldwide

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I believe their paper throughput is diminishing as they are replacing it with racks of servers.

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1962, Armageddon Around The Corner!

by Atlantis in

1962, armageddon around the corner, w. whalen, 249 pages.

click the link by the blue arrow.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/g91alg .. .

bats in the belfry

How true:

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Quotes to discourage JWs from researching WT history?

by JWOP in

are there any direct quotes from the watchtower's literature that discourages investigation into their past doctrines and practices?.

bats in the belfry

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Let's not forget the 'we will do it for you' quote:

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" Jehovah's Witnesses " were NOT Jonadabs!!??!?

by DATA-DOG in

2/15/1966 wt.

identifying the present-day beneficiaries.

15) in speaking of the marking work, page 111 of vindication said that this work of giving the testimony is not for the purpose of converting the people of the world and bringing them into some organization, but it is to make known the fact that those who desire to flee from the wicked organization of christendom may do so and declare themselves on the lords side, and thus be in line to be brought through the time of trouble, when the slaughtering begins.

bats in the belfry

DATA-DOG >>> How do you make those appear in boxes?

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When in EDIT mode, go to the "HTML" icon.

When the box opens precede and end your written text like this:

<blockquote><p>Your text here</p></blockquote>

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" Jehovah's Witnesses " were NOT Jonadabs!!??!?

by DATA-DOG in

2/15/1966 wt.

identifying the present-day beneficiaries.

15) in speaking of the marking work, page 111 of vindication said that this work of giving the testimony is not for the purpose of converting the people of the world and bringing them into some organization, but it is to make known the fact that those who desire to flee from the wicked organization of christendom may do so and declare themselves on the lords side, and thus be in line to be brought through the time of trouble, when the slaughtering begins.

bats in the belfry

This must be the class of persons that are often described as ‘the millions now living that will never die’.

I think JFR made up this class as he went along.

All other so-called classes then in existence were either refered to by biblical names or other Bible references.

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JWS moving into the 2010s: GREATER FOCUS ON "PUBLIC' VENUE PREACHING

by steve2 in

increasingly, jw.org and its print publications show lots of pictures of witnesses preaching one-to-one to "interested" passersby in public venues in contrast with fewer pictures depicting the door-to-door work.

sure, d-t-d is still the organizatrion's mainstay activity - but clearly it pushes at every opportunity the need for the rank and file to "go" public.. this push could be a two-edge sword: there is obviously a hard core of witnesses whose dispositions draw them to this type of social outreach: they almost rush out to do this public-venue work, prefering it to d-t-d. but i'd hazard a guess that for the bulk of those in local congregations, the public-venue witnessing would be a total turn off.. to date, in new zealand, i have seen no evidence of jws doing this public venue witnessing - despite the huge push on jw.org and in the publications.

kiwis just don't seem inclined to put themselves out in public places - or if they do, it is in a kind of very muted way (i.e., almost out of sight and unobtrusive).. this site has shown that in a few places, including mexico, at least a few of the more publicly zealous witnesses are doing the public work big time.. is the public venue preaching happening elsewhere, such as asia?

bats in the belfry

From the December 2013 to January 2014 Elders meet with Regular Pioneers, Special Pioneers, and Field Missionaries sheet:

The faithful and discreet slave has indicated that our primary way of spreading the good news continues to be the house-to-house ministry (km 7/13 4 par. 1)